Dinan S1 335i: Better Than an M3?

Taking the fabulous BMW 335i and trying to make it better than an M3 is a tempting but difficult exercise. Not only is the M3 a very good car, so is the 335i. If anyone has a chance to pull this off, it would be Dinan, the long-standing mega tuners of BMWs in the U.S.

Dinan has something of a unique position among American BMW tuners. That’s because its products are sold and installed by many BMW dealers (and tuning shops) across the country. Local sales and service is a big deal, especially if you don’t live in LA, Chicago, New York, or some such place where an experienced tuner resides. On top of that, Dinan products match the BMW factory warranty, so the whole issue of voiding the warranty and arguing with the dealer is moot. Buying a Dinan tuned car isn’t much different from buying an AMG Mercedes (or an M car).

To check out Dinan’s handiwork, we drove a Dinan S1 335i coupe. Dinan’s nomenclature is a little confusing, since the S1 package consists largely of Dinan Stage 2 software and Stage 2 suspension. The software and accompanying oil cooler raise the twin-turbo’s output by 84 horsepower to 384, and lift torque by 121 pound-feet to 421. That’s close to the M3’s 414 horsepower, but the Dinan completely crushes the M3’s paltry 295 pound-feet torque spec.

The cost of all this is a pretty reasonable $7558. Before we get too excited, we should put that in the context of an M3. For comparison purposes, a base 2009 M3 coupe cost $58,675. A Dinan S1 335i coupe would cost $52,133 with essentially the same options. That’s about a 10 percent savings, which isn’t going to change the world but isn’t bad either. There may be a false economy at work here, since some of the Dinan savings may ultimately be lost in depreciation, but we couldn’t find enough data to be able to tell.

So, that leaves us with the question of whether you might actually have a better car in the Dinan than you would with the stock 335i or the M3?

To shed some light on this, we borrowed a brand new S1 from a cooperative owner and did one of our standard road test loops in it. First, let’s consider a comparison with the 335i. On the street, the Dinan S1 is very much like a 335i, only better. The Dinan feels like it has less turbo lag than the 335i. 335i owners will know that there is often a very short but perceptible delay when you get into the throttle, especially between 2000 and 3500 rpm; with the Dinan, this delay is lowered a tad. At lower rpm (below 3500), the torque difference isn’t noticeable without a side-by-side comparison. But above that level the Dinan is a rocket. The 335i is a fast car with excellent mid-range power, so that’s an accomplishment. For some it might also be gilding the lily.

The other area where the Dinan S1 feels different is in the suspension tuning. On the street differences are subtle, but the S1 feels tighter than a 335i on turn initiation, with a bit more damping. Ride quality on broken pavement is a little harsher, but the 335i isn’t very harsh so this is a minor sacrifice. The differences here aren’t huge, and the Dinan suspension retains the BMW ride/handling balance, simply tilting it slightly.

When compared with an M3, we actually think the Dinan has two advantages on the street. The mid-range thrust of the Dinan engine feels much more potent than an M3. Similarly, the suspension feels a little more locked down than the M3’s somewhat soft setup. But, and this is an important caveat, we didn’t have the Dinan on a track. The M3 is an amazingly balanced car with a fabulous motor at high revs. It is more impressive for track duty than typical street driving. The Dinan might be pretty impressive there as well, of course.

So, we very much liked the Dinan S1. It retains almost all of the 335i’s strengths while adding noticeable and pleasingly subtle benefits in punch and handling feel.
 

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bmg123

I would take a 135i with the Dinan engine and computer upgrades over both of those cars!  Even better would be to buy slightly used 135i that has taken a depreciation hit and having the Dinan upgrades added.  It would be cheaper and lighter than both the 335i and M3.

mcordero

Depreciation is a yuppie concept. The automobile is not a product that appreciates like artwork, precious stones, and real estate. There are certain people that purchase a car with the thought of a future resale - the sports car driver is not one of those people.

Depreciation rates might be appropriately assigned to sedans and wagons, but they are useless at reselling sports cars. The sports car follows buyer wants and desires. Whereas every low-mileage Accord or Camry can go for a certain high price, a high-mileage Shelby or 911 can get a higher or lower price depending on whether it was en vogue at a certain time.

Personally, I would not include "depreciation" into the overall formula of vehicle worth or value when it comes to sports cars.

 

bmg123

I think you misunderstood me.  I LOVE depreciation because I only buy used cars.  (I must not be a yuppie, since I am sure they only buy new cars.)  So depreciation is awesome in that it allows me to get more bang for my buck.  I certainly like sports cars, but want to get more bang for my buck.  If I had $30K to spend, I'd rather buy a used Elise with 15K miles than a loaded Accord.  Yes, sports cars like the Lotus Elise do depreciate too (Yes!!). 

I would not consider a 335i or 135i as sports cars, but more of as luxurious sports sedans or coupes.  I think some owners who buy a 335i or 135i buy it for brand prestige, and don't really drive their car aggressively.  Thus, because these are more mainstream models and not the top of the line sporty model like the M3, it might be easy to get a good deal on a lightly driven lease return as a used car purchase.

I certainly agree that most cars do not appreciate, and the rare and special ones that do usually only start to seriously appreciate after they are already 20-30 years old.

 

Mena

"Depreciation is a yuppie concept."

LOL! I guess you've never lost money on your car purchases? What do you call that? Jaywalking?

marcva

Good thing you didn't have the S1 on a track, because that may have well voided your warranty with Dinan.  A friend who ran an S1 in the One Lap of America was having turbo problems in the middle of the event and went into a Dinan/dealer, only be confronted with the fact that their warranty was voided by being in a competitive event.  This would count for Auto-X too, and one couldn't help but wonder about Driver's Education events since they are held on tracks.

Thankfully(?) the problem with the turbo was later diagnosed to be a mechanic's error (loose screw wedged in the impellor).  

Without warranty support to access to these types of events, the improvements in the car are IMO a bit of overkill.  Don't call it a performance car if it can't perform.

 

orosie68

I have an 08 335i with the Dinan Stage 2 software (factory oil cooler and factory sport suspension).

As a daily driver, I would have to give the nod to the 335, as the torque is much more usable on the street, and it is next to impossible to wind out the M3 on the street, save for a freeway onramp or an open country road.

Dont get me wrong, on a track the M3 shines, and would be my choice...but every day driving...it has to be the Dinan tuned 335i.

mcordero

The Dinan would be the best compromise between a 335i and the M3. Especially since the M3 is overkill and would never run flat out except for long stretches of highway (more boring than it sounds). With the Dinan you can push a good amount of power in a sleeper package... assuming it looks more like a 335i than the M3. Of course, you have to wonder if a less expensive car can outperform the aforementioned BMWs. A Shelby GT500 is 500HP and goes for $52,000 (just one example). The Shelby warranty is probably longer and you can drive it into any shop for repairs.

Lady V10

I had to join just to post a reply to this article. It gets a bit
strange when they write "the mid-range thrust of the Dinan engine feels much more potent than an M3"

What "Dinan engine"? Since when does Dinan make BMW engines?!!! This is not a “Dinan
engine”.  It’s another type of Munich produced engine (read: BMW), with [some turbo lag and] more power
at low and medium rpm, but without the excitement and top end power of a high
reving V8.  When the 335i hits the rev limiter, that's when the M3 really takes
off.

Sure, they’ve
increased the power from the 335i. By increasing the boost pressure. Which is a
really simple way of increasing the output from a turbo engine. It comes with
higher fuel consumption and shorter life span for the
engine. If it were about power only, get yourself a 135 and pump it up to 600hp. That could beat even the M5 and M6 - hopefully for the entire month that engine will last! ;-)))

But I agree that if
you prefer the character of the 335i vs the M3, you can get a lot more power out
of it at relatively low cost by getting the Dinan software. But the price is
getting very close to an M3… Second hand, it’s questionable if the Dinan
software will add $7000 to the value of the 335i.

Wanna real, overall, state-of-art, handcrafted German modification (both mechanical and body), try Alpina and then let's gather for another chat.

www.alpina-automobiles.com

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BillS

As far as the "Dinan engine" goes, it gets tiring to read "Dinan Stage 2 modified BMW 335i engine" when most of us know what he means. And while you're being pedantic, learn to read. The software isn't $7k, it is $1999 -- less than Alpina charges for a "luxury wood set".

dave_frawley@ho...

Forget about depreciation and nearly $8K in modifications and just get a simple DMS stage 1 remap. All the power of the Dinan modified car with none of the depreciation as it only costs 1/10th of the price.

If I was going to buy a modified 335i it would have to by Alpina who sell their Alpina models through BMW dealerships in Europe. Alpinas are so bespoke they dont even have BMW badges and BMW are fine with that!

 

Frawls 

dieselhead

The $8k isn't just for the ECU software. The Dinan S1 has a different oil cooler, exhaust and suspension.

vegaseric

The power enhancement of the Dinan package are fine, but I'd rather see an LSD included in the S1 package. And keep in mind that if all you want is a software upgrade on your 135/335, there are much more economical (and effective) alternatives to Dinan.

dieselhead

...without a warranty

Mena

Who needs a warranty anyways? :)

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