Forbidden Fruit: 2008 Mini Cooper D

We at Winding Road and NextAutos are always eager to test the diesel offerings from global manufacturers and we were grinning with excitement when the folks at Bosch offered us the keys to a Mini Cooper with a 1.6-liter diesel engine. According to Bosch, this Mini will achieve fuel economy numbers in upwards of 50 miles per gallon, which will shame many hybrid offerings currently sold in the States. (Click through to read our full impressions of the Mini Cooper D.)

Chris Paukert
Editor-In-Chief

In this business, it’s commonplace for people to pull up to you in a nice car and ask questions like “How fast does it go?” and “What’s she got under the hood?” Well, the times, they are well and truly a-changin’.

I took our Mini D into a drive-thru, and noticed that while I was waiting in line that the older couple in an ’08 Ford Focus behind me were studying it quite closely (the Bosch diesel window headers give away the oil-burning game). As I pulled away from the second window with my food, the attendant shouted “Wait! Wait!!” and waved his arms excitedly. With the start-stop diesel having already fired and me being about a half a car-length away, I literally had to back up to the window, wondering if perhaps I had absentmindedly forgotten my change or perhaps they had shorted me my salad dressing. Nope. “The people behind you want to know how many MPGs your car gets!” the employee exclaimed. Not to sound snobbish, but I’m not altogether convinced that a year ago, the average American would have even known what MPGs are. This is a change for the better.

As for the Mini itself, it was quite enjoyable. There’s no mistaking the engine for anything other than a diesel (it’s not the quietest unit in the business), but it is torquey and provides ample power for those not expecting Cooper S levels of performance. This was the first time I experienced Mini’s stop-start technology on U.S. roads, and it proved itself to be up to the suburban grind. It’s essentially impossible to catch the system napping, as it restarts the engine at stops very quickly, but the engine will also seemingly randomly fire up while stationary, perhaps to run the accessories (I actually managed to get the engine to re-fire just by activating the turn signal or adjusting the HVAC, which feels odd). As it’s a diesel, there’s a slight but noticeable shudder when the engine shuts down, which is something I imagine takes a little getting used to. Overall, it’s a nice feature to have to save fuel, but it's nice to have a defeat switch as well.

To be clear, I’m all for more diesels in this country, and I can see many people opting for a car like this over a Toyota Prius or Honda Civic Hybrid for a lot of reasons: Superior handling, cheeky style, more upscale (if ergonomically messy) interior, ease of parking, and so on. But meeting tough U.S. emissions standards with a diesel isn’t cheap, and I suspect that it’s going to take a while before the cost component makes sense. Given the respectable mileage that a standard Mini gets, if diesel power is a premium of a few thousand dollars, I’m on the fence about whether enough people would opt for the oil-burner, at least at current gas prices. If they creep up a bit further, however, watch out.

Nate Luzod
Art Director

What a great weekend – Mini fun with MPGs to embarrass a Prius. Could life get any better? I drove much more than usual, reasonably fast, and used barely half a tank for three days worth of errands. Trips to IKEA, then returning months worth of recycling, then grocery shopping, then schlepping around extra junk from cleaning out my office – the Mini held so much more than we’d expect just by looking at it. But I digress, since that pertains to both gas and diesel. There was a noticeable lack of acceleration when trying to perform our typical Mini maneuvers, but the gurgling diesel sound kept us entertained nonetheless. Everything else works as we should expect, with solid steering and feel at speed, and confidence-inspiring all-around view that lets us fit in and out of places we probably shouldn’t.

As a clever fuel-saving technique the Cooper D cuts the engine automatically at stoplights. Throw it in neutral and take your foot off the clutch, and the Mini shuts down (radio and AC will continue) – almost mimicking a ‘controlled’ stall. To get going again, push the clutch in and it starts back up before your left foot hits the ground. It happens so quickly that there’s no noticeable delay– and as much as I enjoy the sputtering sound of diesel, it’s rather nice to have absolute silence at a standstill.

I don’t know that I’ve ever had as much fun in something so economical. I’d easily trade the dampened performance for the extra MPGs – it’s a no-brainer if we’re talking daily-driver. Too bad we can’t look forward to having these here in the states anytime soon.

Laura K. Cowan
Chief Copy Editor

Fuel economy in the forties without driving conservatively or using the start-stop feature is nothing to turn your nose up at. I was impressed that a vehicle so much larger inside than it looks and so fun to maneuver would be so economical. The Bosch decals on our tester drew quite a bit of attention from pedestrians and fellow drivers, so I wonder why the company didn’t add a “40+mpg” sticker to explain why diesel is so great. Some family friends thought the car was adorable but lost interest when they realized it was a diesel, saying, “Those of us who owned diesels in the Seventies and Eighties won’t be buying one.” I guess diesel still has a ways to go to prove itself to Americans. There was a slight lack of acceleration in our diesel Mini Cooper, but it was nothing I would trade for worse fuel economy. The car has enough power to do whatever you need, it just has an engine note that’s a little silly.

Steven J. Ewing
Production Assistant

I really, really like this car. The direct-injection 1.6-liter diesel is a perfect fit in the Mini Cooper and the power figures are more than adequate for a car this size. The base gas-engined Cooper is certainly no slug, but the extra torque boost from the diesel-engined Cooper proved to be really nice, especially during highway passing situations. I could easily leave the Mini in sixth gear and have plenty of power to zoom around eighteen-wheelers without having to push too hard into the throttle. Over the past week, I put around 2700 miles on a U.S.-spec Cooper S and though it was a ton of fun, I kept wishing for the diesel’s smoother powerband and generous fuel economy.

The interior is standard Mini fare all around. I must say, though, that the large speedometer is growing somewhat tiresome. This design scheme was a cute addition in the Mini’s first couple of years, but now I feel that the speedo’s large space requirements could be better merchandised. Better stereo controls and larger HVAC buttons would be nice. As is, I don’t like that the volume control is placed below the CD changer. During my time in this car, I reached for the knob in the middle of the radio unit and became increasingly frustrated when it would occur to me that I’d have to reach a bit lower for volume adjustment. If outfitted with the optional navigation system, the big speedometer is pretty much obsolete. I’d prefer a much cleaner dash arrangement overall.

All in, though, this car is a complete winner. If the United States can become better adapted to small diesel engines, I think that the Cooper D has a good chance of survival in this market.

2008 MINI COOPER D

Engine: Inline-4, 1.6 liters, 16v
Output: 108 hp/177 lb-ft
Transmission: Six-speed manual
0-62 MPH: 9.9 sec
Top Speed: 121 mph
Weight: 2601 lb
Fuel Economy, city/hwy: 50/67 mpg
(Based on European figures)

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Comments

Tom Martin

What's the torque spec on this version?

Steve

Laura, for those like myself that didn't start driving until the 90's... We don't have any of the stigmas associated with early diesels... And the modern diesels are an entirely different beast than they were then... So... I'm chomping at the bit for this car!!  Jeeze.  Small, performance oriented, diesel, manual transmission hatchbacks?  My dream come true for a daily driven car... 

"There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.”
- Ernest Hemingway

Mena

Wow!! Those mpg figures are incredible! What size gas tank is in these? The car is still too slow for me. They could stand to shave some weight off the car. A 0-60 in the 8 second range would be better.

Steven J. Ewing

Mena,

In all honesty, because the power delivery is so different in this car compared to a normal Cooper, acceleration doesn't feel terribly sluggish. In fact, I'd say that this car's acceleration figures are pretty good, especially when you take into consideration the fact that this is a 50 mpg car. I highly doubt that you'd get anything close to eight seconds out of a Civic Hybrid, Prius, etc.

The new Mini does have some extra weight added on, and it would be nice to have a more lightweight Cooper, but all in, the Cooper D is pretty impressive.

Thanks for the comment!

Steven J. Ewing
Production Assistant
Winding Road / NextAutos.com

Mena

Thanks for the reply. I've driven diesels so I understand the power delivery but 177 lb-ft with only 108 hp equals a car that gets off the line fairly decently then runs into a brick wall shortly afterwards (diesels have narrow powerbands). That's fine if the car still gets the job done but the last 9+ second 0-60 car I drove was a 89 VW Fox and that car never felt quick. I doubt this one will either.

More than likely this is a car that the wife would drive and she's no speed freak but she still wants some fun and this car would be slower than her present truck. I suppose I could see what the aftermarket does with it. Oh that's right, it's not coming here.

Francesc

Let's not forget that with wider (and more gears) than your '89 Fox, there are better ways to take advantage of the torque band in a diesel (or any motor) these days.

Mena

Found the answer to my own question. It looks like the tank is 10.6 gallons so the theoretical range of the car is 530 miles city and 720 miles hwy. Wow again!! I'd be filling up almost every two weeks and it would cost me roughly $53 to fill up.

lee clapp

And whom, would really notice the 1-2 second difference??? Time is not "that" important, is it??? Lee

Chris Paukert

TMartin -

108 hp and 177 lb-ft, although we were unable to locate RPM data to accompany these figures.

 

Chris Paukert

Editor-In-Chief

Winding Road Magazine // NextAutos

Steven J. Ewing

According to the UK site:

108 hp @ 4000 rpm
177 lb-ft @ 1750-2000 rpm

Steven J. Ewing
Production Assistant
Winding Road / NextAutos.com

Rick Brennan

Chris,

Any prospect for Cooper D's in the US in 2009? Do you know if there are legal implications to importing these from the UK? Is it even possible to do? I want one bad!

Rick

rfrace

I really want this car. I found out about it last year and inquired about it at the dealership.

I currently drive an '05 Cooper (not "S") right now, so the HP difference isn't a big deal. My onboard computer currently thinks I'm averaging 28mpg, so even though Diesel is more expensive than Super, the MPG difference more than makes up for it.

Now all I need is a Mini dealership in Austin so I don't have to keep driving to San Antonio for service. I hear its coming in the next year, so hopefully the industry can get through this stupid red tape that's preventing all of these fantastic Euro-diesels from coming over to the US and I can get one. 

ben

My OBC tells me that I average 30 mpg in my '06 Cooper S (shame on me!). Yes, I would love to see the MINI Cooper D make it stateside, then it would make sense to have two MINIs in my garage.

Reilly Brennan

The diesel movement starts in earnest when we have fun diesels, not just efficient (MPG) ones. Most diesels are fun to begin with, but I'd really like to see Mini bring this to our shores to prove the doubters wrong. I think a lot of people would go for this if given the option.

Ducati Minor

I'm not signing up on this one.  The 10 sec. 0-60 time doesn't bug me so much as the thought of a Mini diesel.  I'm open to diesels, but even I have some prejudices.

Anonymous

It seems odd to concentrate, as some do, on the 0-60 time, when it has little bearing on how a car or especially a diesel car, performs in real life. Try a modern diesel, drive it using the low end, and a higher gear than a gas engine, and you'll see that its not slow. Except on a drag strip, for which its the wrong vehicle:)

Mena

It's not the 0-60 time it's the dog SLOW acceleration that I'm not interested in. 0-60 is the max you get under acceleration with that car. Normal acceleration will be MUCH slower than that. Isn't this a car enthusiasts forum? "It seems odd" to me that a car "enthusiast" doesn't have an appreciation for performance and would question MY (or others) enthusiasm for performance on a car forum. I am on a car forum, right?

If you actually read my post, you'll see that I have mucho experience with diesels, old AND new, they ALL have the same powerbands (narrow compared to a gas engine). Both old and new diesels make prodigous amounts of torque. I'm am NOT opposed to diesels. I ahve owned diesel trucks in the past and am in the market for another diesel truck. I am opposed to slow cars. I'm not interested in a car that doesn't do 0-60 in slower than 8.5 seconds. My wife's truck is quicker and so are most cars on the road today. I don't want to be the moving roadblock on the highway or in city driving. Been there, done that.

jeffoverip

I'd love to have a Cooper D.  It is a little slower than my current Protege, but I'm far more interested in handling than straight-line performance.

Mena

I'm more interested in all around performance. In 2008, you can have your cake AND eat it too!!!

Ducati Minor

Mena brings up the hard point.  It's true that the average driver doesn't need superb acceleration, reaching 60 mph in five seconds.  But, this is an enthusiast forum for drivers who enjoy speed.  The fact is, the Cooper D lacks the power to place it with modern petrol sport compacts.  Assuming the 50 mpg combined average was legit for US EPA standards, the emissions requirements would subtract an ecological advantage. 

Of consumer interest, a professional 0-60 sprint of nine and a half seconds would translate poorly into the slower, real-world driving of the average Joe.  How long would it take a typical driver in the suburbs of Portland or LA to hit sixty?  Fourteen seconds?  The Cooper D sounds far from being a bad car; but this is not the machine to showcase diesel's talents.

William J Toensing

You people are making a mistake if you judge the economic justification of buying a diesel vs a gas engine at $4 a gallon. Gas & diesel will go to $7 or more in 2 years. It is a different ball game with oil now. Much of the rise in cost in the USA has been due to devaluation of the dollar to the Euro & UK Pound. The only way we can keep gas/diesel under $7 is to nationalize Big Oil as has been done in Veneuzela & Mexico, but I don't see this happening. Diesel is now up to $12 in the UK as Europe is importing diesel from Latin America which is the reason for higher diesel prices here. What we realy need need is plug in hybrids plus alternate fuel vehicles along with other incentatives & disentatives to eliminate our need to import oil.

Mena

"You people are making a mistake if you judge the economic justification of buying a diesel vs a gas engine at $4 a gallon."

My mistake. I thought I was on http://www.nextautos.com not http://www.politicalrhetoric.org.

Steve

Jeeze, William... Not just www.politicalrhetoric.com, but perhaps www.socialistrhetoric.com?

This car seems to me to be a great compromise.  Sure, the Cooper S will run to 60 in half the time, but it'll get half the fuel economy.  For many people - enthusiasts included, Ducati - that is a trade-off that would be made happily and knowingly.  For my drive to work and class, I'd rather get great mileage than great 0-60.  Furthermore, in everyday traffic, I don't often get more than half-throttle anyway... In which case a diesel has a more favorable powerband than does a petrol engine.  

 This looks like a great, enthusiast, diesel to me.  It doesn't need to light my hair on fire to be compelling... There are other cars for that.  

"There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.”
- Ernest Hemingway

Ducati Minor

That's a trade-off for the economical rider, but not the enthusiast. There is no joy to be found in a modern "sporty" compact that can be outrun by an Amish wagon.

Feel free to spend 20% over a base Mini should this come to the States, and feel free pay 20% more for a gallon of diesel over a gallon of petrol.

Yeah...William...Mexico and Venezuela are real fine economic models. Leftists are lucky this decade because the right is so inept. But stupid ideas are still stupid ideas.

Mena

"That's a trade-off for the economical rider, but not the enthusiast."

Yep, an enthusiast would not make that drastic of a trade-off. My Solstice gets good gas mileage but that's pure happenstance. It was not a priority at all. After driving the albeit sporty versions of eco-cars for the past 20 years, I am happy that I can finally afford the real deal. If the Solstice got 20 mpg, I would have still bought it. Is there a limit in my budget for gas? Sure, my wife's truck will be at our limit at ~$7.50/gal. My car will be at our limit at double that.

jeffoverip

"Yep, an enthusiast would not make that drastic of a trade-off."

That's a pretty arrogant statement.  At the very least, you're not considering other people's daily reality.  For example, I have a 4.5 mile one-way commute, all on city streets.  I rarely get above 45mph during my commute.  Is that because I'm slow?  No, it's what traffic and all the lights I have to go through allow.  However, there are some really, really nice turns along my commute path, and I love taking those at speed.  Taking a turn posted for 25 at 45 is a blast, as I'm sure you'll agree.  I have some excellent tires on my Protege, and I'm likely having a coilover setup installed before the end of the year.

Speed is not everything, and you most certainly do not speak for all enthusiasts.

Mena

"Speed is not everything, and you most certainly do not speak for all enthusiasts."

There's no arrogance in my statement. Sorry if you see it that way. It's a fact. Given the choice, an enthusiast would not settle. My wallet made the decisions for me. When it allowed, I immediately when for a proper sports car. A car I wanted since I was a child. An enthusiast, wallet allowing, would NOT continue to buy eco-cars when he/she could afford a proper sports car. An exception would be those that buy cheaper cars to heavily modify them in order to embarrass the proper sports cars with a knowledge of physics and engineering. I had a 92 Civic with an Acura K24 motor in it with tons of goodies. Fast as hell!! Faster than my current car stock.

My present car feels better, has more torque and only has two seats. Tons more fun AND gets better gas mileage!! And, for me, has WAY more power and cornering potential than any of my previous cars. Your Protege will always be hampered by tire size. Been there, done that.

Speed is everything to an enthusiast. You just mentioned taking a 25 mph corner at 45 mph. That's not speeding? You mentioned daily reality. Most of my commute is on a military base where speeding equals a talk to the CO of the base with your boss in tow. It sucks but it's way more fun to drive a convertible sports car with a 3" exhaust than with a Nissan SE-R Spec V or a Honda Civic with a K24.

Go drive a sports car for a week or two through those 45 mph corners and also drive it work and back, then we'll talk.

Anonymous

I think American 'enthusiasts' are still too caught up in 0-60 times. When I look at if a car is adept as a sports car its slalom speeds and skidpad #'s as well as braking are what win at the track.

If your taking your car to 1/4 drags then go ahead...buy the 'faster' straight line car. But if the car is set up right like an elise (for the track)...then 0-60 numbers mean a lot less.

In daily driving your honestly going 0-30mph more than any thing else probably 80% of the time. So if your all caught up on how fast you can go to 60...then your only 'using' your 'enthusiast' car to its full potential 5-10% of the time. My previous car was a type R Integra...and it wasn't the fastest car in the world, but it did everything else fantastically.

Also remember in 'Daily Driving' where your comparing straight out speed...not everybody is Hammering the throttle to get to 30 mph the fastest... maybe if you don't know how to drive or are 16 yrs old you drive that way. I think the mini cooper D at a auto cross where you use mostly the first 2-3 gears would almost as fun as a Cooper S. So unless they've detuned everything to make the D softer...I think it depends what your using the car for.

stephen

Have you ever driven a modern diesel powered car ? You will find that as regards in gear acceleration i.e. real world acceleration beats that of the regular Cooper and nearly matches that of the Cooper S. I would try it before making anymore sweeping statements.

Superglider

I've had 10 Corvettes... GTOs, and lots of other performance cars, but that was a different era. I love to point out to my friends that when we're driving down the freeway at 80 MPH, we're all doing 80 MPH... the only difference is that I'm getting 25 MPG in my Tacoma and that Dodge Quad Cab Hemi next to is is getting 15. When I want performance, I just get on the motorcycle... and that ain't often. There aren't even many places I can drive a performance car like we used to drive them.

Anonymous

Shame that VW does not offer the Lupo/Fox 3L in the US. It is supposed to get 3 liter diesel to 100 kilometers, That would make about 75 miles to the gallon. The price is much less than BMWs Mini.

Ducati Minor

jeffoverip was targeting my remarks.  If you think speed is not a key factor, you're not an enthusiast.  You're just a poser.

jeffoverip

"If you think speed is not a key factor, you're not an enthusiast."

Of course speed is a factor, it's just not the most important one. Most of my driving is spent in the 30-45mph range.  For this range, even a 12-sec 0-60 car can be a heck of a lot of fun.

I'm a poser because I don't focus on speed?  Give me a break.  How about if I drove something even slower, like an original Mini?  Those things were all about handling and nothing but handling.  Would I still be a poser?

Forgive me for not being a one trick pony solely devoted to engine power.

Mena

"For this range, even a 12-sec 0-60 car can be a heck of a lot of fun."

My wife thinks my car is fun as hell and she enjoys driving it but she's not a car enthusiast. You can enjoy driving without being an enthusiast. And, sorry, an enthusiast would not settle for a 12 sec 0-60 mph car (unless limited by their wallet) and it's associated dog slow acceleration, heavy traffic or not. I owned a 1989 VW Fox (no, not the Audi Fox). It did a 0-60 in the 11 sec range according to magazines. I never tried it out because it took too damn long to get there under normal driving. I loved cars back then as I do now but would NEVER have bought that car had I more money to spend. I actually could've afforded a CRX Si but was worried that the insurance would've been insane. After 3 years, I couldn't stand it anymore and sold it to my mother and got a Nissan Sentra SE-R. 0-60 of 7.5 sec but it might as well been 3.5. Finally a car that was more fitting to an ENTHUSIAST even though I was still on a budget. Quick in a straightline is one of the requirements of an enthusiast. I don't know anyone that wouldn't require that.

It's ok to not be an enthusiast dude and still enjoy cars.

Steve

"Given the choice, an enthusiast would not settle." - Mena...  I think it's safe to say that given the choice, YOU would not settle.  I think it's also safe to say that many true enthusiasts would disagree. Like I said above, there are other cars for other reasons.  I, as an enthusiast, don't need my daily driver to get to sixty quickly.  I can have a motorcycle or a sports car for that.  What I need from my daily driver is a safe, economical, reliable transport.

Affordability isn't the only acceptable justification, either.  If I were in a position to afford an M5 to drive to work in, I wouldn't do it.  For that kind of money, I can have a truly economical daily driver, and a true sports car to boot (think, Mini D and a C6?).  It's not all about money and acceleration.  It's about priorities.  Obviously, you place a great premium on acceleration in your daily driver.  That's great, and we're all happy for you.  But agreeing with you is not a requisite for being an enthusiast.  

Come down off the horse you rode in on. 

"There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.”
- Ernest Hemingway

Mena

I never said the daily driver has to be a sports or sporty car nor did you clarify any of your statements on whether or not you were talking about a daily driver. It seems there is some confusion here. I'm thinking you are saying that an enthusiast would not choose a performance car at all and still would consider himself an enthusiast. That's like Mercedes claiming their CLS is a coupe. I guess we're not on the same page.

Ducati Minor

Let's just declare Steve and jeffoverip wrong and myself right...because I am.

b.douglas@sun.com

The title should be is forbidden fruit for the USA.  This is the same story for the BMW 1 series diesels which get comperable gas mileage 50MPG.  I have contected my local delaership and the European Delivery folks and they refuse to sell them to the US market.  I wish someone at BMW would get the message that we are not all Bushies here in the US. Sick of waiting.

Anonymous

I drove a large Peugot sedan in France that routinely showed the equivalent of 50mpg on the meter (they use Liters per 100 km or somesuch, but my math skills are good) at 80 miles an hour or so. Nice car, too. This may be the entree back to the US for some long lost makers such as Peugot if they care to take the chance. I truly don't get the perceived reluctance in the US about diesels. A lot of people realize these "aren't your father's Oldsmobile" diesels. 50% of Frenchmen can't be wrong! OK, maybe they can, but not about this.

Jared

0-60 is meaningless. What is important is torque on demand and when you need it. In a car like this, a modern diesel engine really shines. The hp/torque numbers are very similar to a VW TDI, which is a bit heavier car. 50-70 mph acceleration in my TDI is effortlessly strong, with no need to downshift. And with more torque than either of my past/current sportscars (Porsche Boxster, Lotus Elise), a modern diesel engine is a pleasure to drive on the highway. I think part of the reason is that the turbo is spooled up when you're cruising along, and ~2k rpm @ 60 mph is in the sweet spot of the broad and flat torque curve.

It's also easy to drive in the city. I can ease out the clutch in first gear with no input on the gas (errr, diesel) pedal, and instead of stalling it will crawl gently in traffic jams. There's too much torque on tap to stall the engine unless you dump the clutch too suddenly.

With diesels, don't be misled by deceptively low hp numbers. Math lesson: HP = RPM x Torque x a conversion factor. Due to the physics of the diesel engine, most have only a 4000 rpm redline. Torque curves are historically flat for most all engines... if the engine could spin as fast as 8000 rpm, it would make twice the HP, but the torque typically stays constant. The end result is a 4 cylinder engine with the response of a small V8: lots of twist on demand, but with little drama and no need to wring out high rpms. Not to mention 50mpg. By comparison, this equation is how Honda can advertise such high hp from such small engines that have low torque but can rev to 8000-9000 rpm. If you could rev the Mini D engine to 8000 rpm, it would make about 216 hp!

For those who balk at the price of diesel, consider that the gasser Cooper S gets 34 mpg on premium at $4.30/gal. The cost economy of the two would be equal if the price of premium remained the same and diesel was $3 more... and I don't see that delta happening any time soon.

Jared

Just a performance comparison addendum: 50-70 mph in my TDI blows away either a Boxster or Elise in 5th/6th gear.

Andy

If the Mini isn't quick enough for anyone, you should take a look at the BMW 123d. 7 seconds 0-60 and average economy around 48mpg.

Jared

The only thing that troubles me about the BMW is that it weighs two tons.

Mena

"If you could rev the Mini D engine to 8000 rpm, it would make about 216 hp!"

But it doesn't, it makes 108 hp, and even with its "prodigious" torque, it STILL only does 0-60 in 9.9 seconds. And that's with a driver that probably does this for a living. Our 0-60 with a light foot will be horrendously longer than that. Say it how you like but it's STILL a slow car. Again, no thanks.

Anonymous

Mena, your avatar pic is of an Ariel Atom....do you actually own one or are you a dreamer?
I ask because I do own an Atom.

Mena

"do you actually own one or are you a dreamer?"

I'm a dreamer. I, sadly, cannot afford an Atom.

Anonymous

Mena, I don't see how you can call yourself a true enthusiast if you cannot afford an Atom. Poser?

Mena

"Poser?"

Retard?

CarlInMich

I would think with the start-stop technology 50MPG is not that impressive. I got that in my Jetta TDI when it was new. With 140,000 miles I am still regularly breaking 47MPG combined. Granted I do not do HEAVY city driving. I look forward to having at least another choice when it comes time to replace the Jetta and maybe my VW dealer will be a bit less arogant about things.

Anonymous

Is this Mini available soon in the USA? If so, what appx. price will it be, thanks!

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